The mindset of NOT-thinking, in order to allow delusion by seduction through MYSTICAL experiences.
It may not seem instantly relevant, the issues of reconciliation between the Vatican and the Charismatic movement. But the truth is that they are very much the same, not the least because Charismatic leaders either have actually Roman Catholic theology, or are following Roman catholicized leaders of the Charismatic movement.
What will accelerate this even more is the supposed defection of Evangelicals from being Evangelicals to becoming Eastern Orthodox. Much as they would protest, the fact is that the Eastern Orthodox Church itself (meaning all 16 major denominations under its roof) are in the midst of reconciliation with the Vatican. The Eastern Orthodox church itself is leading its own followers to the Vatican (as the Anglican Church continues to try to do, each and every day).
Saying you dont formally have a Pope does not mean that you are not accepting 95% of the theology of the Vatican system, which the Eastern Orthodox church DOES accept. Both systems also practice communication with the dead as well, thereby garanteeing spiritual blindness on a very personal level. Denying these facts does not make them any less so.
The Vatican system of the Western Roman Church claims to be a Rational system. It is Rationally errant, whereas the Eastern Orthodox system (the Eastern Roman Church) claims to be a Mystical system. It is MYSTICALLY Errant.
And both systems will find reconciliation at the feet of the Pope, whether admitted or not. The Charismatic movement is and always has been a Roman Catholic vehicle. The Protestant counterpart was a Pentecostal movement but they quickly merged into the Charismatic stream and spread much of their Trinity-denying system (which is what Oneness pentecostalism is all about) through their meetings and conferences.
The Purpose of the Emergent Church is to help individuals emerge: first into Heresy, then into Roman Catholicism, and finally in worship of a different Christ. Emergent leaders would object to the characterization perhaps, but not to the truth. And how would they know in anycase ? Their own premise functionally is ultimately void, holding to the self-defication through self-doctrine.
Emergent doctrine, is the doctrine of NO-DOCTRINE.
It attempts to assert that all theological definitions lack meaning as they cannot be divorced from the context of the human who asserts meaning through words. That is false, and irrational, as this system rejects any objective truth. Fine, well you can defy gravity and refuse to believe that gravity, has form, meaning, substance, implications or consequences, but that will not change what will happen if you jump from a building.
After dragging the newly-seduced emergent into meaninglessness, the new emergents abandon themselves to mystical experiences. The Emergent Church of Heresy merges itself a bit more with both the Eastern Orthodox Church and Estern Philosophy, on its way to the Vatican.
Richard Bennett understands these trends and attempts to clarify these points. No one should care, unless they value:
2. Jesus Christ, as the New Testament defines Him
3. The Word of God
5. Historical Accuracy, or
6. a Genuine and personal relationship with God.
7. The afterlife and their personal destination for eternity.
Many evangelicals are so brainless (sorry if this hurts), that they have no clue what they believe. Most of them have no idea, and no idea how to either explain or defend what they believe. Of course, then a church can only be a social club, since it is not interested in actual truth.
Many of these problems and challenges are accentuated and brought to light by the
Charismatic movement. This is not to say that all Charismatics teach falsely. That is not the case. But it remains the case that a substantial majority of major charismatic leaders and ministries are themselves in contradiction to historic Christianity, the Reformation, and the Bible. WHile all of us may wish this were not the case, it nonetheless is.
Many of the problems in theology in Charismatic circles occur because the Charismatic working is the pragmatic outworking of variean [contradictory] systems of theology:
- Occultism, and Zohar-talmudic theosophy
- Charismatic and Pentecostal deviation sub-movments
- the Shepherding Cult movements (Ft Lauderdale 5)
- Juan Carlos Ortiz/ and the G-12 movement in Latin America
Vatican II Theology (which re-affirmed the doctrines of the Council of Trent), and
- Catholic Charismatic Renewal movement (so-called)
In the Reformation, if you study this, you will find not much differentiation in major theological points or systems. These various streams adhered to a litteral and detailed faithfulness to the Word of God. Where they disagreed, it was mostly an issue NOT of doctrine, but of local congregation administration. ( for example the Baptists wanted the preachers to decide, but the Presbyterians wanted their congregations to vote on most decisions...those are examples of church administration differences, NOT major theological differences).
The Charismatic movement is essentially the petri dish where occult theology will triumph as it merges with the Vatican into a global system to be the religious incarnation for the leader of Europe who will compell all who buy, sell or trade to accept a mark/imprint of loyalty on their right hand or forehead. Of course, that cannot possibly become true....until it becomes so obvious, that those who have allowed themselves to FIRST be misled THEOLOGICALLY, will allow themselves to be misled INTO ACCEPTING the mark of allegiance ON (or INTO) their right hand or forehead....nothing hurts like the truth...It is easier for many of the foolish (often called evangelicals) to believe things contradictory to the Bible, than it is for them to realize that they are following false doctrine, by which they have been seduced...if none of this applies to you, then you should not find yourself resisting the rest of the data here.
(but if this bothers you, what does this tell you, about your own conclusions about your own eternal state and status ? Do we just keep smiling...and say nothing...?
A lot of this has to do with the earlier Catholic Charismatic Movement as promoted by Catholic Philosophers (Ralph Martin, etc) in the 1970s. (Ron Sider, Tom Sine, and Tony Campolo were a few of the Old Hands). But Katherine Kuhlman and the Charismatic Conference in Kansas City (back in 1977) is really what kicked this off.
Some have rightly understood much older links to this, tracing them back to Norman Grubb (in his later life) and his Wink of Faith (false self-deification movement), and through the work of his brother who ran British Intelligence for a very long time. This would encompass the work of Henrietta Mears and her 5 proteges (including bill Bright) and those under the Tutelage of William Branham and Ern Baxter with Bob Mumford. These movements coalesced under the suppposed separate Streams of the Kansas City Prophets (Mike Bickle, Rick Joyner, John Paul Jackson [interpreter of omens] (daystar), and Bob Jones. These were mentored by Paul Cain. The other stream was led by C. Peter Wagner, and McGavran through Weiner and WYAM, and their work at Fuller, Wheaton and in MIssiology. The theology for the movement was laid down by the Lausanne Cttee (known as LCWE) through the Billy Graham Group, who have never found a Catholic Cardinal or above, that they would not embrace. (we wont spend much time here delving into connections between the Club of Rome and the Billy Graham group. That would be through the Rev. Donald Hoke, who is one of the 3 incorporators of the Billy Graham Association...but...that would be telling...)
Catherine Graham of the Washington Post, Lindsey Graham of Carolina, Bob Graham of Florida, or Billy Graham, they are all Grahams, and they are all fostering doctrines which are co-opted. That is why Roman Catholics are turned away from the Biblical Text at Billy Graham crusades and forced intstead to reconcile BACK TO the Vatican through their local archdiocese. (do your own research).
The other part of the theological work had to be laid down TEXTUALLY, through versions that would either depart or alter the actual words and content of the New Testament. THAT work was handled through WYCLIFF Bible Translators, and Townsend, who was mentored (and overwatched his whole career by Eugene Nida, who was a Vatican operative. Eugene Nida formed the United Bible Societies back in 1938, as a front for the Anti-Reformation German Bible Society which had been nazified [and never recovered, though it had previously been corrupted through both Kittel (Old Testament) and Nestle (New Testament)]. The German Bible Society (and UBS) remain the ANTI-thesis of what Martin Luther ever taught. The theology for UBS and the German Bible Society comes out of the Textual Institute of Munster which is a Vatican-run Agency. (Again, do your own research).
The works through the Wycliff Bible Society were altered in conformity with Vatican texts, which Eugene Nida made sure was the case. Wycliff versions not only conform to Codex Vaticanus, (historically rejected during the Reformation as a false manuscript__read the detailed work of Professor Hoskier) many wycliff version soon after publications, find subsequent editions have apocryphal books inserted into them. This happens with the funds sent in to wycliff by evangelicals who have no idea that their funds are going to promote Roman catholic altered versions of the BIble all over the world in outlying tribes and areas where others cannot reach. In this manner, evangelicals are litteraly paying for the conversion of these tribes, to the Vatican... so much for Berean studies, study to show yourself approved, and seek discernmnent...Cameron Townsend would be so proud, along with Eugene Nida. Not to worry, since Kim Clement and Patricia King, Mike Bickle and others will continue the work to merge syncretistic Zohar-Talmudic theosophy in with the new Versions, in order to present themselves to the new Christ as a living sacrifice, that is until Bill Hammon and Rebecca Wagner and Rick Joyner unite in their version of Joel's Army. This will build on the work established by Charles Capps, Ken Haggin, and Ken Copeland, all promoters of the Occult through E.W.Kenyon and William Branham, (Lest not forget Christ for the nations, whose founder was often pictured with Branham).
This Army will be an army only those soldiers (men, women, transgenics, and transhumans will all be sporting a shiny mark on their right hand or forehead as they make war on the redeemed saints, according to them)...
Nida (a follower of Westcott-hort) had already formally entered into a Concordat with the Vatican through the United Bible Societies back in 1966, when the UBS became the front line publishers of the Greek Text used in all protestant seminaries around the world, and it still is today. Nida continued his work through both Wycliff and the United Bible Societies. One of the other 5 board members was Maria Martini, also known as Carlo Maria Martini, the Archbishop of Rome (though he later held a preparatory post in Jerusalem, his last post).
Carlo Martini also was in charge of all of the training of all Bishop of Rome, in Rome, as head of the Pontifical Institute of Rome, at the Vatican.
Well, if evangelicals have Roman Bibles, with Roman alterations, made by Roman theologians, mentored and guided by Roman-trained theologians...then where is the mystery about why and how Evangelicals are being seduced straight back to the Vatican...?
The latest was that Rick Joyner (a Kansas City Prophet under Wimber and Paul Cain) had joined the Roman Catholic Knights of Malta.
Who is in doubt about where this is all going ???
The Vatican term for conversion to Roman Catholicism, (which they incorrectly assert as their brand of salvation) is called Evangelization, in contrast to the standard definition of Biblical Eternal Life between man and God through Jesus Christ as the one and only mediator in accordance with the New Testament, which is called evangelism (when it is shared with others).
The Biblical understanding of Evangelism as the New Testament defines it, which is the transmission of the words of Christ and his message, is NOT at all the same as conversion to the Vatican Canon law, which the popes now call
Evangelism is the propagation of the gospel of faith in Jesus Christ alone, through Christ Alone, plus nothing.
Evangelization is conversion to the false doctrines of Vatican Roman Catholicism. It is a system of slavery offered as salvation through
good works, incorrectly declared as meritorious.
Those who fail to stand for something will fall for anything, and evangelicals have stood for mostly nothing for many decades now.
Each remains accountable, speaking of milstone around the necks of those who allowed these things under their own churches, I am glad to not be in their shoes...
Keep seeking truth...
Hidden History of the New Testament, and those who translated the Modern Versions
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How to be saved, have eternal life, and find God
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and all others who have made the choice to be forgiven and reconciled to Him;
Every Breath you breathe is a gift from God. No one knows how much time they have.
No one who delays and then dies, thought that their time to live here would be up.
Suddenly its too late.
Make the choice, while you can.